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* Most Windows applications do not display a console window. It is hence confusing for users. | * Most Windows applications do not display a console window. It is hence confusing for users. | ||
: Commercial programs, and stable programs don't usually display a console window. But beta programs, which rely on feedback from users, often leave the console open. Our release testing of ScummVM is seriously lacking, meaning we heavily rely on feedback from the release versions, for wider testing of games now. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : Commercial programs, and stable programs don't usually display a console window. But beta programs, which rely on feedback from users, often leave the console open. Our release testing of ScummVM is seriously lacking, meaning we heavily rely on feedback from the release versions, for wider testing of games now. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: ScummVM releases are not betas, however, period. Moreover, if you think our testing is lacking, then please help us come up with ways to improve it. But showing a console will fix nothing. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
: I don't see how an extra console window appearing in the background, suddenly confuses users either. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : I don't see how an extra console window appearing in the background, suddenly confuses users either. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: Well, you are hardly a regular user, and devs often don't see things as problematic that "normal" users do. But you are right in so far as that we are essentially uttering believes here. So, we should run a poll among our users to determine what they think about the console window, and what they would prefer. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
* Many users requested this over the years | * Many users requested this over the years | ||
: My guess in fact is that many more want this than have reported it, simply because the threshold to reporting this nuisance is relatively high. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 15:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : My guess in fact is that many more want this than have reported it, simply because the threshold to reporting this nuisance is relatively high. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 15:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
: Incorrect, we have only had two feature requests (#1093939 in 2005 and #3093800 in 2010), and two short topics (2879 and 9486) over the many years [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : Incorrect, we have only had two feature requests (#1093939 in 2005 and #3093800 in 2010), and two short topics (2879 and 9486) over the many years [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: You are right, there were only a few FRs (though there is also feature request #552494 from 2002, closed by Ender). However, I still believe that many more users are (slightly, at least) annoyed by this. Again, a poll would help to determine what users really want. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
* No vital or important messages for the user should be displayed on the console alone anyway; if the user needs to know about something, we must show this via e.g. a GUI dialog or an overlay message. Hence there should be no need to show it by default (any cases where important information is only visible on the console are BUGS and should be reported and fixed). | * No vital or important messages for the user should be displayed on the console alone anyway; if the user needs to know about something, we must show this via e.g. a GUI dialog or an overlay message. Hence there should be no need to show it by default (any cases where important information is only visible on the console are BUGS and should be reported and fixed). | ||
: There is still a lot of vital information (i.e. loading related problems), that is only shown via warnings in the current source code of game engines though. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : There is still a lot of vital information (i.e. loading related problems), that is only shown via warnings in the current source code of game engines though. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: Name concrete examples, please. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
=== Pros (Arguments for logging to a file) === | === Pros (Arguments for logging to a file) === | ||