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: I don't see how an extra console window appearing in the background, suddenly confuses users either. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | : I don't see how an extra console window appearing in the background, suddenly confuses users either. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 23:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: Well, you are hardly a regular user, and devs often don't see things as problematic that "normal" users do. But you are right in so far as that we are essentially uttering believes here. So, we should run a poll among our users to determine what they think about the console window, and what they would prefer. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | :: Well, you are hardly a regular user, and devs often don't see things as problematic that "normal" users do. But you are right in so far as that we are essentially uttering believes here. So, we should run a poll among our users to determine what they think about the console window, and what they would prefer. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 09:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
::: A Windows build of ScummVM will still briefly show a console window, when the console window is disabled, no matter which method is used. So if users truly are confused, that | ::: A Windows build of ScummVM will still briefly show a console window, when the console window is disabled, no matter which method is used. So if users truly are confused, that confusion might continue. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 05:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::: There *are* workarounds for that: We can use a second stub executable which launches ScummVM and tells it to attach to the console allocated for this stub, or we can choose to always allocate a new console if we want one; maybe we even want to create an actual GUI window so it's easier for users to copy/paste. Actually, the brief console flash might be okay, as long as it's brief; it's more likely to be passed off as some kind of loading message (and we could choose to write such a message until the console is hidden). --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] 21:45, 28 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
==== Many users requested this over the years ==== | ==== Many users requested this over the years ==== | ||
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==== Multiple logs would lead to more confusion, about which file to submit, if that method was used. ==== | ==== Multiple logs would lead to more confusion, about which file to submit, if that method was used. ==== | ||
: I don't think so. The lognames would have names like "scummvm-20101026-202614.log" and thus would automatically be sorted by date to the user; they could simply pick the latest. Or if unsure, they could simply pick *all* of them and let us sort out which is the right one. Anyway, this is beyond the actual point we are discussing here. From my point of view it would be completely sufficient to use only a single log file, as that would provide exactly the same information as the console, only better as it stays around even when ScummVM crashes. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 18:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | : I don't think so. The lognames would have names like "scummvm-20101026-202614.log" and thus would automatically be sorted by date to the user; they could simply pick the latest. Or if unsure, they could simply pick *all* of them and let us sort out which is the right one. Anyway, this is beyond the actual point we are discussing here. From my point of view it would be completely sufficient to use only a single log file, as that would provide exactly the same information as the console, only better as it stays around even when ScummVM crashes. --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 18:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
:: The position of day and month in dates, varies between different countries, meaning any dates based only on numbers only can be confusing at times. While sending multiple logs can be a hassle | :: The position of day and month in dates, varies between different countries, meaning any dates based only on numbers only can be confusing at times. While sending multiple logs can be a hassle if not archived, since only one file can be added to a bug report at a time. Agreed, that multiple logs would not be worth it. [[User:Kirben|Kirben]] 05:23, 28 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
==== If logs files are used, how do we handle multiple ScummVM be run at the same time? I expect this would effect developers more (i.e. when tracing regressions), and not be common with users though. ==== | ==== If logs files are used, how do we handle multiple ScummVM be run at the same time? I expect this would effect developers more (i.e. when tracing regressions), and not be common with users though. ==== | ||
: If we use multiple log files, this is trivial (and a standard practices). Just insert a random component into the log file names. Anyway, these arguments start getting a bit far-fetched :). --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 18:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | : If we use multiple log files, this is trivial (and a standard practices). Just insert a random component into the log file names. Anyway, these arguments start getting a bit far-fetched :). --[[User:Fingolfin|Fingolfin]] 18:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC) | ||